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The 11th Meeting of the Community and Protective Services Committee

Open Council

The 11th Meeting of the Community and Protective Services Committee

October 4, 2022, at 4:00 PM

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1.   Disclosures of Pecuniary Interest

That it BE NOTED that Councillor S. Hillier disclosed a pecuniary interest in clause 5.1 of this Report, having to do with the Deferred Matters List, specifically item number 1 on the list, by indicating that his family hosts a five day event.

2.   Consent

Moved by S. Hillier

Seconded by M. Hamou

That Items 2.1 to 2.3 BE APPROVED.

Motion Passed (6 to 0)

2.1   3rd Report of the Accessibility Community Advisory Committee

2022-09-22 ACAC Report

Moved by S. Hillier

Seconded by M. Hamou

That the 3rd Report of the Accessibility Community Advisory Committee, from its meeting held on September 22, 2022, BE RECEIVED.

Motion Passed

2.2   3rd Report of the Animal Welfare Community Advisory Committee

2022-09-01 AWCAC Report 3

Moved by S. Hillier

Seconded by M. Hamou

That the following actions be taken with respect to the 3rd Report of the Animal Welfare Community Advisory Committee, from its meeting held on September 1, 2022:

a)    the Civic Administration BE REQUESTED to explore alternatives to fireworks with sound; and,

b)    clauses 1.1, 2.1, 3.1, 4.1 to 4.3 and 4.5 to 4.9 BE RECEIVED.

Motion Passed

2022-10-04 SR- Property Standards Demolition

Moved by S. Hillier

Seconded by M. Hamou

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Planning and Economic Development, the proposed by-law, as appended to the staff report, dated October 4, 2022, BE INTRODUCED at the Municipal Council meeting to be held on October 17, 2022, to approve the potential demolition of the abandoned buildings located at 421 Wharncliffe Road South, 254 Hamilton Road and 7234 Littlewood Drive and the properties may be cleared of all identified buildings, structures, debris and refuse and left in a graded and levelled condition in accordance with the City of London Property Standards By-law and the Ontario Building Code Act. (2022-P10D)

Motion Passed

3.   Scheduled Items

3.1   Adult Live Entertainment Parlour - 2010 Dundas Street - Deletion of Location

2022-10-04 SR - Adult Live Entertainment Parlour – 2010 Dundas Street - Deletion of Location - Public Participation Meeting

Moved by J. Helmer

Seconded by E. Holder

That the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated October 4, 2022, with respect to the Adult Live Entertainment Parlour located at 2010 Dundas Street – Deletion of Location:

a)    the Civic Administration BE DIRECTED to provide the Community and Protective Services Committee with future status update reports with respect to licence applications for adult entertainment parlour locations;

b)    the above-noted staff report BE RECEIVED; and,

c)    the communication, as appended to the Added Agenda, from W. Goldsmith and J. Dunn, London Abused Women’s Centre, with respect to this matter, BE RECEIVED;

it being pointed out that the following individuals made verbal presentations at the public participation meeting held in conjunction with this matter:

  •    W. Goldsmith, London Abused Women’s Centre; and,

  •    J. Dunn, London Abused Women’s Centre. (2022-P09)

Motion Passed (5 to 1)

Voting Record:

Moved by E. Holder

Seconded by M. Hamou

Motion to open the public participation meeting.

Motion Passed (6 to 0)

Moved by E. Holder

Seconded by M. Hamou

Motion to close the public participation meeting.

Motion Passed (6 to 0)

4.   Items for Direction

None.

5.   Deferred Matters/Additional Business

5.1   Deferred Matters List

2022-10-04 CPSC - Deferred Matters List

That the Deferred Matters List for the Community and Protective Services Committee, as at September 26, 2022, BE RECEIVED.

Motion Passed

Voting Record:

Moved by E. Holder

Seconded by J. Helmer

Motion to receive Item Number 1 on the Deferred Matters List for the Community and Protective Services Committee, as at September 26, 2022.

Motion Passed (5 to 0)

Moved by S. Hillier

Seconded by M. Hamou

Motion to receive the Deferred Matters List for the Community and Protective Services Committee, as at September 26, 2022, with the exception of Item Number 1.

Motion Passed (6 to 0)

5.2   (ADDED) Councillor M. Van Holst - Zoning Amendment to Permit a Pilot of Temporary Mobile Shelters

2022-10-04 Sub - M. Van Holst

Moved by J. Helmer

Seconded by M. Hamou

That the communication, dated September 30, 2022, from Councillor M. van Holst, with respect to a zoning amendment to permit a pilot of temporary mobile shelters, BE RECEIVED. (2022-S11)

Motion Passed (6 to 0)

6.   Confidential

Moved by M. Hamou

Seconded by E. Holder

That the Community and Protective Services Committee convene In Closed Session for the purpose of considering the following:

6.1.    Solicitor-Client Privilege

A matter pertaining to advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose, with respect to 2010 Dundas Street East, a location where an Adult Live Entertainment Parlour may operate under the City’s Business Licensing By-law L-6.

6.2.    Personal Matter/Identifiable Individual

A matter pertaining to identifiable individuals with respect to the 2023 Mayor’s New Year’s Honour List – “Accessibility” Category.

6.3.    Personal Matter/Identifiable Individual

A matter pertaining to identifiable individuals with respect to the 2023 Mayor’s New Year’s Honour List – “Age Friendly” Category.

6.4.    Personal Matter/Identifiable Individual

A matter pertaining to identifiable individuals with respect to the 2023 Mayor’s New Year’s Honour List – “Arts” Category.

Motion Passed (6 to 0)

The Community and Protective Services Committee convened In Closed Session from 4:14 PM to 5:10 PM.

7.   Adjournment

The meeting adjourned at 5:36 PM.

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[5:22] Jerry, can we just do a quick sound test? Testing testing. Yep, sounds great. Thank you. We’re just going to give it maybe 30 more seconds because we do have public participation meeting on this agenda and it is not a long agenda. So I’d like to give all the members a chance to be here so public can be heard by everybody. All right, we do have everybody here now I believe and so I will begin by acknowledging that we are gathered today on the traditional lands of the Anishinaabek, the Haudenosaunee, the Lani Peiwaq and Atawandran peoples. We honor and respect the history, languages and culture of the diverse indigenous people who call this territory home. We acknowledge all the treaties that are specific to this area, the two Rowampum Belt Treaty of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, Silver Covenant Chain, the Beaver Hunting Grounds of the Haudenosaunee Nanfan Treaty of 1701, the McKee Treaty of 1790, the London Township Treaty of 1796, the Huron Tract Treaty of 1827 with the Anishinaabek and the Dish with One Spoon Covenant, Wampum of the Anishinaabek and Haudenosaunee. The three indigenous nations that are neighbors to London are the Chippewas of the Thames First Nation, Oneida Nation of the Thames and the Muncie Delaware Nation, who all continue to live as sovereign nations with individual and unique languages, cultures and customs.

[21:46] I would also point out that the City of London is committed to making every effort to provide alternate formats and communication supports for meetings upon request. To make a request specific to this meeting, please contact CPSC@london.ca or 519-661-2489, extension 2425. That I will look to the committee to see if there are any disclosures of conflict. Go ahead, Councillor Hillier. Yes, recuse myself on 5.1, number one as my family puts on special events in the park.

[22:26] Thank you, Councillor. Any other conflicts? Seeing none, we will move to the consent items. We have two reports from our advisory committees at the accessibility community advisory committee and the animal welfare community advisory committee. The third item on the consent matters are property standards related demolitions. Would any member like to pull any of those items? Seeing none, can I have a motion for the consent agenda? Moved by Councillor Hillier, seconded by Councillor Hamou. Any discussion? Seeing none, I’ll call the vote. Thank you, Councillor.

[23:22] Chair, I had the same challenge at noon. The vote comes up, but I can’t submit it. But I did press yes, you’ll be pleased to know. So that’s a yay then, Mr. Mayor. Yay and yes are quite similar exactly. Thank you. Motion carries, six to zero. That takes us to scheduled items and what we have is a public participation meeting. We have to give it one more minute before we begin, but it is with regards to an adult live entertainment parlor at 2010 Dundas Street and a possible deletion of this location. It is now 405, which is the scheduled time for the beginning of this meeting. So I will look for a motion to open the public participation meeting. Moved by the mayor, seconded by Councillor Hamou. I’ll call that vote. Yes, from your favorite mayor, your favorite today. I’m closing the vote. The motion carries, six to zero. Okay, so now I will go to members of the gallery. If you are here for this matter, it is the adult entertainment parlor. If you wish to speak to the committee, I invite you to approach the microphone, state your name and you will have five minutes. Hi, good afternoon chair and members. Thank you for your time today. This is Wendy Goldsmith, human trafficking coordinator at the London Abuse Women’s Center and I am Jennifer Dunn, executive director of the London Abuse Women’s Center. The London Abuse Women’s Center has been providing service to women and girls who have been exploited and trafficked for nearly 25 years. Since 2015, Locke has supported over 3,000 women and girls who have been trafficked and over 2,000 women and girls who are at risk of being trafficked with long-term, trauma-informed, woman-centered, counseling, advocacy and support. To be clear, the London Abuse Women’s Center does not conflate the sex trade with human trafficking. However, one cannot ignore the fact that the two are related and are difficult to separate. Women and girls enter the sex trade for a variety of reasons, including the need for money. We support the decision made by women and understand that those decisions may change as their circumstances change, but it is very important to know every woman and girl faced with these decisions is at risk of sexual exploitation. Sex trafficking is a form of sexual exploitation that can include recruiting, obtaining or providing a person for the purpose of sex. In Ontario, sex trafficking is, excuse me, sex trafficking is the more reported form of human trafficking. London, Ontario is considered a hub for sex trafficking because of our proximity to the 401 corridor. Women who entered the sex trade on their own commonly report that they were subsequently picked up by a trafficker.

[26:42] This may occur through grooming tactics or more or by more violent means. It is difficult for women, particularly young women or marginalized women, to remain independent. The City of London has a pillar in the strategic plan to create a safe London for women and girls with an outcome of being to enhance the potential for women and girls to live safe lives. There has been a commitment from the City of London to apply a trauma and violence-informed lens to the strategic plan, ensuring that an intersectional approach is applied to address violence against women and girls in our community. It will take sustained and strategic leadership to bring about the system changes and supports for women and girls. The demand for paid sexual services fuels the growth of trafficking and exploitation for our most vulnerable populations. Victims of sex trafficking are often lured or coerced into the commercial sex trade. If the before mentioned information and statistics were not enough, this licensing question has not functioned as an adult live entertainment parlor for at least two years. Does not have an active owner license and has not had an active owner license since January 2021. The London Abuse Women’s Centre supports the deletion of this adult live entertainment parlor location at 2010 Dundas Street from schedule 3A of the business licensing law and would recommend Council consider reducing the limitation on the total number of licenses authorized from 3 to 2. Thank you. Thank you very much. Hey, I’ve been informed that there is nobody registered on through Zoom to speak to the committee so that’s our only delegation and I’m not and there’s nobody else in the public gallery so I will look for a motion to close the public participation meeting. Moved by the mayor and seconded by Councillor Hamou I’ll call that vote. Yes, sorry, yes. Closing the vote the motion carries 60. So we do have a staff report on our agenda here so I’ll go to a staff to see if they would like to introduce this item here. This is Ethan Ling from the municipal compliance section of planning and economic development. I just have a brief somewhat brief report to go through here or presentation to go through here. It’s just a kind of on a matter of protocol I guess mostly and a little bit of explanation of what we’re doing here this evening. So on September 6th council resolved that staff take the necessary steps to consider removing the adult live entertainment parlor location from 2010 Bendas, 2010 Bendas Street from schedule 3a of the business licensing by-law. Staff have prepared this report to be received by the community of protective services committee. The committee may subsequently make a recommendation to council as to whether to amend the by-law to delete the location. City Council shall make the final decision whether to amend schedule 3a and this is all described in schedule 3 section 9.7 of the by-law. Staff have attached a draft by-law for your convenience to this report. The report is meant to provide background information for the purposes of holding the public participation meeting that is required in order to consider deleting a location and to advise the committee of the necessary steps to achieve what civic administration believes was council or is council’s intention on this matter based on the previous committee and council meetings. If council ultimately recommends an amendment to schedule 3a of the by-law, deleting, 2010 Bendas Street, map 3, it would in turn reduce the number of defined areas or locations within schedule 3a of the by-law from 3 to 2. Therefore we’ve also provided a draft by-law which has a potential amendment to section 4.1 of the same schedule which in turn reduces the number of adult live entertainment parlor licenses authorized under the by-law from 3 to 2.

[31:24] The reason this was included was that if a location is ultimately deleted from the by-law it would be reasonable for council to consider reducing the total number of licenses authorized under this by-law from 3 to 2 to match the number of locations defined in schedule 3a. Now it should be noted that council has delegated the authority regarding the issuance or refusal of the actual business licenses to the license manager. However, or well, amending the by-law is still a function of committee and council. So committee this evening is considering the deletion of a location from the by-law and a potential amendment to reduce the number of authorized adult live entertainment parlor locations in the city. The license manager again has been delegated the authority to issue council or refuse the licenses themselves. This only I’d be trying to bring this up as a point of clarification to the last council resolution which discussed deleting a license. We’re just deleting a location and considering a reduction. The issuance or refusal of the licenses themselves has been delegated to the license manager. Thanks for allowing me to present this report and hopefully clarify the processes. Thank you, Mr. Lane. Are there any questions for Mr. Lane? So we do have a companion report and it is a confidential report. So what I would recommend to committee is that we move in camera to consider that a confidential report and as stated on the public agenda to go in camera for a matter pertaining to receiving advice that that is subject to solicitor client privilege. So I’ll look to committee to see if that is something that you would like to do. Go in camera and hear that companion report before we discuss this publicly. Yes, I’m seeing nods.

[33:38] Councillor Hummoo, you would. Sorry, I was just going to say I’ll move that. Okay, thank you. And seconded by the mayor. So because we have a couple of relatively minor quick matters as well on the in-camera agenda including all three of them are pertaining to the mayor’s new year’s honors list. Those should be rather quick. So I’m suggesting we go in camera for all of the in-camera items and I’m seeing nods. So that is what we will do. It’s been moved and seconded. So I will call the question. Thank you, Chair. I’ll vote yes as well.

[34:25] Posing the vote. The motion carries six to zero. We just need a few moments. Madam Chair, can you confirm that you’ve flipped the switch for the doors, please? I personally flipped the switch and thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I had messaged the clerk but I see she’s not at her desk. Thank you. We’ll get those opened up. Thank you. And the upstairs lights are off as well indicating that the doors are not locked. And here we have people coming back into the public gallery. So we will be ready to go in a moment. Okay, we are back in public session. And I note that we have quorum and then I’m assuming everybody’s here. So I’ll go start right in again with item 3.1. We had a public participation meeting. We went in camera to receive legal advice and I’m going to committee to see how you would like to proceed. Councillor. I want to go on mute and I pressed stop video, of course. Sorry. What I was saying was that I spoke to the word Councillor and what he suggested and what we worked on was that we motion what I motion to delete the location and refer the reduction of license question to after the appeal period of 238 Dundas expires. So I put that on the floor. So Councillor Hamoud there are two draft bylaws in the end. So it’s a two-parter.

[38:23] So one is to, can you repeat that, please, Councillor Hamoud. Delete the location and refer the reduction of license or the, sorry, the license question to after the appeal period at 238 Dundas expires. Does that make sense? I suppose, but I’ll look for a seconder. And I see that Ms. Westlake Power has her hand up, but I don’t see a seconder at this time, but I’ll go to you Ms. Westlake Power.

[38:59] Thank you. I just wanted to make a suggestion about the potential motion, but if there’s not a seconder, then I will reserve any comment. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So it doesn’t look like we have a seconder for that motion. Councillor, I’ll go back to committee with seeking your guidance on how we’re going to proceed. The recommendation in the staff report is that we received their report. Could start from there. Is there anybody would like to add anything on top of that? Can’t move anything, people. Councillor Hamoud. I think it would be a good idea to direct civic administration, potentially the license manager, to just keep us in the loop of the future report about the status of the various applications for these locations. I think that would be helpful.

[40:11] And I think we need to be cautious about how we handle this issue, given that there’s a related matter underway already. So, Councillor, that we ask for, ask the licensing manager to provide this committee with regular updates with regards to adult entertainment parlor applicant, the status of adult entertainment parlor applications. Does that sound what you want your motion to say? Yeah, I think a future update report on the status of license applications for the locations that are defined in the maps. Okay. So what the clerk heard from you, Councillor Helmer, is that civic administration be directed to provide this committee with future status updates with respect to licenses, license applications for adult entertainment parlor locations. Yes. Would you like to add or receive on there as well? Receive the report. Thank you.

[42:21] Is there a seconder for this motion? Is that hand indicating that you’re seconding this motion, Mr. Mayor? I am. And then I’ll speak to it if I can. Can we also add received the communications that are that is on the agenda? Councillor Helmer, did you want to speak further to your motion? Thank you. I’ll go to you, Mr. Mayor. Thanks very much. There may be a chair, some who look at this and say that this is not the appropriate response as it relates to this particular issue. And you know, and I think we’re all very sensitive to what we heard in public session as well from concerned learners who deeply care about the subject. I would just ask anyone who is paying mind of this technology and that we’ve gone into confidential session for a reason that they work with this Council on an ongoing basis to get what it will ultimately be a result that can towards. And that’s saying that without any prejudice or any bias towards any applicants, they’re looking to make a consideration made for either maintaining or increasing adult data distances. So we’ll just ask for the forbearance there. So that’s why I was, I think it’s the right motion at this time. And I think it’s and I think it was the right thing for the Councillor to move this and why I think we should all support this going forward.

[44:13] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a motion that’s been moved and seconded. And I’m not seeing any further discussion. So I’m going to call the vote. Oh, Councillor Hummon. Thanks. Could we add to the motion just to wait the expiry, like receive and await the expiry of 238 Dundas Street, would that be appropriate? That would be up to the mover. Okay, so I’ve put that on the floor. So I’m not seeing the mover looking to change his motion. Oh, sorry. Councillor Hummon, go ahead. I just want to clarify. I don’t think it’s necessary if there is a status change related to a license application, this motion would catch that. So I don’t think we have to be prescriptive about exactly what would trigger the update report.

[45:10] We’ve already done that in motion, I think. Councillor Hummon, or so with that, I will call the question. Voting yay, Councillor Sully. Supposing the vote, the motion carries five to one. So first we will go to, we have the deferred matters and additional business. And first on that list is the deferred matters list. We do have a conflict that’s been identified on the first item on that list. So let’s deal with that first item first, where we have a conflict.

[46:15] Somebody would like to move the first item on the deferred matters list. I would welcome that motion moved by the mayor. Seconded by anybody. Councillor Hummon, thank you. I’ll call the vote on it. Councillor Sully, yay. Closing the vote, the motion carries five to zero with one recuse. The deferred matters list and look for a mover for the remainder of the list moved by Councillor Hillier, seconded by Councillor Hummon. Any discussion? I’ll call the vote.

[47:04] I’ll leave the vote, yay, one more time. Closing the vote, the motion carries six to zero. All right, we have an additional item on our added agenda, and it is a communication from Councillor Van Holst. And I will go to you, Councillor Van Holst, if you’d like to introduce this.

[47:41] I would thank you very much, Madam Chair. So I would say it’s pretty exciting that the community members have rallied to create some temporary housing for our homeless individuals, and that Arcade Mission has offered to provide a place for those behind their property at 696 Dundas Street. However, there seems to remain some uncertainty as to the zoning of these shelters. And what I would like the committee to consider is having our staff lead a zoning amendment that would allow the Arcade Mission to pilot these temporary shelters for two winters. And that’s the motion or the extent of the motion that I’m bringing forward. I would say that there’s some exciting possibilities here. The pilot would allow them to explore who would be most appropriate to help with these, to live in the shelters, and how they could be assisted with their goals in finding long-term shelter. I would also say that there are other community groups and individuals that would also be interested in assisting in building these shelters. So there’s a broader base of people that could be brought on in order to provide these kinds of things.

[49:37] The point that I’m very excited about is that this is the kind of project that could be implemented in other communities as well. And we note that there are people being sent to London with the promise that we have services for them, but they arrive here and find out that there is in fact no harm. And so that’s why I consider this very important project and a pilot that would be worth moving forward with. So if I can perhaps turn that over to the committee for some discussions or any further clarifications of what I provided in the communication. But I hope we can consider this and it will allow that organization to move forward. They’ve created a fenced off area where the individuals would be able to occupy this. And I know that they have people in their own staff who would be staying in these as well in order to supervise. So I think it’s a wonderful thing. And we can help by just making sure that their project will be compliant with our bylaws by taking this action. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Any comments or discussion from committee? I wonder if City staff are on hand if you have anything to add or any direction from your end. Mr. Mathers, welcome. Go ahead. To the chair, if it’s helpful, I can provide a brief update of on this location. We’re currently aware that there’s a proposal at 696 Dundas and we’re reviewing whether conformed with their zoning bylaws. So there’s no decision that’s been made at this time. So as part of that analysis, we’re also going to be doing a jurisdictional scan to see how other municipalities are handling these. Just to see how other municipalities may be using temporary mobile shelters and how that relates to their zoning bylaw. So that’s an update of what we’re doing right now. If you did move forward with a zoning bylaw amendment, that would usually take approximately three months. So if that’s helpful for you to understand as well. So happy to answer any other questions. Thanks. Committee, Councillor Helmer. If you indulge me, Jared just wondered if I could ask a couple questions of Councillor Reynolds to get a sense of where he thinks this is going to go. So I guess the first question is, I just assume from the letter that Councillor Reynolds has been in touch with folks around the arc and they have asked him to bring this forward to get the city to initiate a zoning amendment. Thank you, Councillor for the question.

[53:07] They, I have been in contact with them and have visited the site and they were looking for a solution. But this one is one that I came up with in discussions with with our staff. I ask what what could be done in this in this instance. And they said, well, if we had a zoning amendment, then for a pilot, then then that that could solve the solve the problem in the shorter term, although I guess it’s three months. And by providing some timelines on it, that seemed to be a helpful thing as well. So by making it a city led initiative, that means that it wouldn’t require them to pay the $12,000 for a zoning amendment. So it really was a strategy just to try and facilitate what they had hoped to do in the near term. Councillor Helmer.

[54:20] I’ve said the letter was obviously a surprise to me. I just saw it in the added agenda. Of course, reached out to folks who run the arc to see what they thought about this idea. And even though she is away, this Campbell has been corresponding with me while she’s on vacation, even during this meeting to give me a sense of where they’re coming from or they hope to accomplish here. I have to say I have some concerns with the whole approach. You know, I support the idea of the temporary mobile shelters, which we have set up in a larger footprint over the past couple of winters in locations that I think are appropriate. You know, we’ve had different kinds of locations and they’ve been larger locations with more people saying there. And importantly, like the staff and money resources that are needed to support people and help them to be successful. So the scale of what’s proposed here is much smaller. And the property, I think, really we’re talking about putting these hats in a very small parking lot behind a building. I just don’t think it’s the best location. We need much more space and many more locations, I think, and public funding and support like we’ve had in the past couple of years so that it’s successful at a scale that I think would make a meaningful impact. So I’m concerned about the size. You know, it’s almost too small. Another concern I have is about the approach, which is to have a temporary zoning amendment. So you can have temporary zoning bylaws. We do that with parking lots and other things to allow for use for a short period of time. So I don’t really have a problem with that as an idea, but it’s just the vulnerability of that approach to appeals. And I just don’t think it’s likely to succeed. So if we were to have a zoning amendment for a single parcel rather than say all kinds of property throughout the city that could support in a parking lot, a small scale temporary mobile shelter, that would be different if we’re doing a city-wide amendment. Those looking have a lot of parcels that are currently zoned BDC or, you know, like, which is the current zoning in this parcel, that I can see having potential to enable a significant scale of this kind of deployment. The one property in a very specific location, all it takes is one appeal for that and you’re into a year of waiting around, right? So three months to prepare the zoning amendment and a year to appeal and, like, what are we accomplishing? Right? So, you know, we’ve been able to test some of these ideas by using public property and not doing zoning amendments and just setting these things up and running them. And I think that that’s a better approach than the zoning amendment temporary zoning. You know, we could be three quarters of the way through the time period that Councillor Reynolds is talking about before there’s even a city in the final position about whether something go out or not. And by pursuing just the single location, I think it’s making it even more difficult. So I’m happy to talk to the Councillor and, of course, with the arc about, you know, what’s possible and how we could approach this issue where, you know, we’re moving into, it’s October, moving into the winter. I do think what’s happening in terms of the sort of temporary mobile shelters in the winter is a really important issue. I’m glad the Councillors is trying to do something about it. But I don’t support this approach. I think it’s going to generate a lot of conflict about a small-scale thing that’s going to not result in a lot of changes. So at this point, I think I’m going to move receipt. I talked to the Councillor and the folks at the arc between now and the Council meeting and see if there’s a different direction we can go in that might be more productive. And I do appreciate that these trying to act on a very important issue here in the city. Thanks, Councillor. Any other comments?

[58:33] And is there a seconder as well to receive this communication? Seconded by Councillor Haimou. Comments? Questions? Councillor Van Halst. Thank you, Madam Chair. And I’ll just certainly accept the Council’s offer to discuss this further. And hopefully we can come up with a way that moves things ahead. Of course, by doing something big, we may be in a situation where, you know, perfect in the enemy of good, there’s some shelters here that can be used by some homeless people.

[59:15] And there had been a hope that that would happen in the short term. And so perhaps we’ll be able to come up with a way to have that happen even sooner than that three-month timeline that was described by Mr. Mathers. So I’m fine with the direction that the committee is taking on this. And we’ll look to see if we can come up with something that’s even better than what was suggested. And I appreciate the committee having a look at this. It was on the added agenda.

[59:58] I’m afraid I didn’t have all the information I needed to get it on to the regular agenda. And that’s why I appeared at this time. So thank you very much. And I appreciate the time you’ve offered me in your meeting, Madam Chair. Thank you, Councillor. And thank you for your submission as well. So we have a motion on the floor. It’s been moved and seconded. And if there is no further discussion, then I will call the question. Morning, yay. Housing the vote, the motion carries. 6-0. That’s it for our agenda. So as long as committee members don’t have any additional business, I’m seeing none. I will call for a motion to adjourn.

[1:00:59] Moved by Councillor Hamou, seconded by somebody. Councillor Hill here. Thank you. I’ll call a hand vote on that. All those in favor? And that motion carries. Thanks everybody. Have a good evening.