February 21, 2024, at 9:30 AM

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The meeting was called to order at 9:30 AM; it being noted that Councillor D. Ferreira was in remote attendance.

1.   Disclosures of Pecuniary Interest

That it BE NOTED that no pecuniary interests were disclosed.

2.   Consent

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That Items 2.1 to 2.9 BE APPROVED.

Motion Passed (5 to 0)

2.1   2023 Drinking Water Annual Report and Summary Report for the City of London Drinking Water System

2024-02-21 SR 2023 Drinking Water Annual Report and Summary Report for the City of London Drinking Water System - Full

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, with respect to the 2023 Drinking Water Annual Report and Summary Report for the City of London Drinking Water System BE RECEIVED. (2024-E13)

Motion Passed

2.2   2023 Ministry of the Environment, Conservation and Parks Inspection of the City of London’s Drinking Water System

2024-02-21 SR 2023 MECP Inspection of the City of London Drinking Water System

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, with respect to the 2023 Ministry of the Environment, Conservation and Parks Inspection of the City of London Drinking Water System BE RECEIVED. (2024-E13)

Motion Passed

2.3   Hamilton Road and Gore Road Intersection Improvements Environmental Assessment Project File Report

2024-02-21 SR Hamilton Road and Gore Road Intersection Improvements EA

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to the Hamilton Road and Gore Road Intersection Improvements Environmental Assessment Project File Report:

a)    the Hamilton Road and Gore Road Intersection Improvements Environmental Assessment Study Project File Report BE ACCEPTED;

b)    a Notice of Study Completion for the Project BE FILED with the Municipal Clerk; and,

c)    the Project File Report BE PLACED on the public record for a 30-day review period. (2024-T06)

Motion Passed

2.4   Orr Municipal Drain -Request for Drain Major Improvement and Appointment of Consulting Engineer

2024-02-21 SR Orr Municipal Drain - Full

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That on the recommendation of Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to the Orr Municipal Drain and the Request for Drain Major Improvement and Appointment of Consulting Engineer:

a)    the request for a Major Improvement to the Orr Municipal Drain located in the area of Colonel Talbot Road and Southminster Bourne to benefit the drainage of 6526 Southminster Bourne, Township of Westminster, BE ACCEPTED by the Council of the Corporation of the City of London under Section 78 of the Drainage Act; and,

b)    Spriet Associates London Limited BE APPOINTED the Consulting Engineer under Section 8 of the Drainage Act. (2024-E09)

Motion Passed

2.5   Single Source - Adelaide Wastewater Treatment Plant Section 1 Restoration Design and Contract Administration

2024-02-21 SR Single Source - Adelaide Wastewater Treatment Plant Section 1 Restoration Design - Full

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to a Single Source for the Adelaide Wastewater Treatment Plant Section 1 Restoration Design and Contract Administration:

a)    the contract for engineering design services BE AWARDED to CIMA Canada Inc., in the amount of $468,886.00 including contingency (excluding HST), as a single source award in accordance with Article 14.4.e of the Procurement of Goods and Services Policy;

b)    the financing for this project BE APPROVED as set out in the Sources of Financing Report, as appended to the above-noted staff report;

c)    the Mayor and the City Clerk BE AUTHORIZED to execute any contract or other documents, if required, to give effect to these recommendations; and,

d)    the Civic Administration BE AUTHORIZED to undertake all the administrative acts that are necessary in connection with this project. (2024-E01)

Motion Passed

2.6   RFP 18-34 Contract Amendment - Detailed Design for Highbury Avenue South Reconstruction

2024-02-21 SR RFP18-34 - Contract Amend. Detailed Design for Highbury Ave S Reconstruction - Full

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to RFP 18-34 Contract Amendment for the Detailed Design for the Highbury Avenue South Reconstruction:

a)    the contract with Parsons Inc. BE INCREASED by $746,161.41 to a total agreement value of $1,567,367.91 (excluding HST) to complete additional detailed design activities for Highbury Avenue South Reconstruction including rehabilitation of the Bradley Avenue and Commissioners Road bridges, in accordance with Section 20.3 (e) of the City’s Procurement of Goods and Services Policy;

b)    the financing for this assignment BE APPROVED as set out in the Sources of Financing Report, as appended to the above-noted staff report;

c)    the Civic Administration BE AUTHORIZED to undertake all the administrative acts that are necessary in connection with this assignment;

d)    the approvals given, herein, BE CONDITIONAL upon the Corporation entering into a formal contract with the consultant for the work; and,

e)    the Mayor and the City Clerk BE AUTHORIZED to execute any contract or other documents including agreements, if required, to give effect to these recommendations. (2024-T05)

Motion Passed

2.7   Ontario Transfer Payment Agreement for Municipal Energy Plan Funding for Detailed Cost-Benefit Analysis of Climate Emergency Action Plan Actions

2024-02-21 SR Ontario TPA for Municipal Energy Plan Funding - Full

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the proposed by-law, as appended to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, BE INTRODUCED at the Municipal Council meeting on March 5, 2024, to:

a)    APPROVE the Transfer Payment Agreement between The Corporation of the City of London and His Majesty the King in right of Ontario, as represented by the Minister of Energy, for the purpose of updating the energy mapping and financial models (i.e., cost-benefit analysis) in support of the Climate Emergency Action Plan;

b)    AUTHORIZE the Mayor and Clerk to execute the above-noted Agreement; and,

c)    AUTHORIZE the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, as the Duly Authorized Officer to approve reimbursement claims to be submitted to the Ontario Ministry of Energy to receive approved funding as identified in Schedule “E” of the above-noted Transfer Payment Agreement. (2024-E17)

Motion Passed

2.8   Contract Amendment RFP 19-02 - Recycling Collection and Garbage and Yard Waste Collection in a Portion of London with Miller Waste Systems Inc.

2024-02-21 SR Contract Amendment 19-02 - Recycling Collection in a portion of London with Miller Waste Systems

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to Contract Amendment 19-02 for Recycling Collection and Garbage and Yard Waste Collection in a Portion of London with Miller Waste Systems Inc.:

a)    approval BE GIVEN to exercise the contract amendment provisions of section 20.3e of the Procurement of Goods and Services Policy for RFP 19-02 Recycling Collection Garbage and Yard Waste Collection for a cost exceeding the threshold limits outlined in section 8.5 (a)(ii) and Schedule A for collection of Green Bin materials;

b)    the price submitted by Miller Waste Systems Inc., to collect Green Bin materials in addition to recycling, garbage and yard waste for an annual cost of approximately $395,000, BE ACCEPTED, noting that the net annual contract price increase is approximately $231,000 when cost reduction associated with reduced frequency of garbage collection is included;

c)    the Civic Administration BE AUTHORIZED to undertake all administrative acts that are necessary in connection with the contract referenced in a) above; and,

d)    the Mayor and the City Clerk BE AUTHORIZED to execute any contract or other documents, if required to give effect to these recommendations. (2024-E07)

Motion Passed

2.9   Exercise First Contract Renewal Option RFP 19-02 - Recycling, Garbage and Yard Waste Collection in a Portion of London with Miller Waste Systems Inc.

2024-02-21 SR Exercise First Contract Renewal Option RFP19-02 - Recycling in a portion of London with Miller Waste

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by S. Franke

That, on the recommendation of the Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to Exercise First Contract Renewal Option RFP 19-02 for Recycling, Garbage and Yard Waste Collection in a Portion of London with Miller Waste Systems Inc.:

a)    approval BE GIVEN to exercise the contract renewal provisions of section 20.2 of the Procurement of Goods and Services Policy for the first-year renewal option of RFP 19-02 Recycling Collection, Garbage and Yard Waste Collection, as amended to include Green Bin, for a cost exceeding the threshold limits outlined in section 8.5 (a)(vi) and Schedule A of the policy noted above;

b)    the Civic Administration BE AUTHORIZED to undertake all administrative acts that are necessary in connection with the contract referenced above; and,

c)    the Mayor and the City Clerk BE AUTHORIZED to execute any contract or other documents, if required to give effect to these recommendations. (2024-E07)

Motion Passed

3.   Scheduled Items

3.1   3rd Report of the Environmental Stewardship and Action Community Advisory Committee

2024-02-07 ESACAC Report

Moved by S. Franke

Seconded by S. Trosow

That the 3rd Report of the Environmental Stewardship and Action Community Advisory Committee, from the meeting held on February 7, 2024, BE RECEIVED; it being noted that a verbal delegation from B. Samuels, Chair, Environmental Stewardship and Action Community Advisory Committee, with respect to this matter, was received.

Motion Passed (5 to 0)

3.2   Gold Seal and Fournie Municipal Drain Improvements

2024-02-21 SR Gold Seal and Fournie Municipal Drain Improvements - Full

Moved by S. Franke

Seconded by S. Trosow

That on the recommendation of Deputy City Manager, Environment and Infrastructure, the following actions be taken with respect to the staff report, dated February 21, 2024, related to the Gold Seal and Fournie Municipal Drain Improvements:

a)    the drainage report, as appended to the above-noted staff report, prepared by Spriet Associates London Ltd, Consulting Engineers for the construction of the Gold Seal and Fournie Municipal Drains (2023) BE ADOPTED, it being noted the notice of the public meeting was provided in accordance with the provisions of Section 78 of the Drainage Act; and,

b)    the proposed by-law, as appended to the above-noted staff report, BE INTRODUCED at this meeting, and BE GIVEN two readings at the March 5, 2024 Municipal Council meeting to authorize the reconstruction of the Gold Seal and Fournie Municipal Drain 2023 project; it being noted that the third reading and enactments of the by-law would occur after the holding of the Court of Revision in connection with the project;

it being pointed out that the following individuals made verbal presentations at the public participation meeting held in conjunction with this matter:

  • H. and P. Johnson. (2024-E09)

Motion Passed (5 to 0)

Additional Votes:

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by D. Ferreira

Motion to open the public participation meeting.

Motion Passed (5 to 0)

Moved by S. Trosow

Seconded by J. Pribil

Motion to close the public participation meeting.

Motion Passed (5 to 0)

4.   Items for Direction

None.

5.   Deferred Matters/Additional Business

None.

6.   Adjournment

The meeting adjourned at 10:02 AM.

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We’ll move on any disclosures of pecuniary interest. Councillor Ferrera is joining us online. I see none. Moving on to the consent items.

There are a number of consent items. I am looking to committee members wishing to pull any. I see none. Councillor Tresault.

I will move the consent item, the consent calendar in its entirety. Looking for a seconder in Councillor Frank. And with that, I’d like to go to committee members with any questions, comments. Councillor Pribble.

Okay, I’ll start and sort of chair to the staff. First of all, I guess 2.2, congratulations. Five years in a row, 100%. I think it’s fantastic.

So thank you for that. I have a couple of things going back to 2.1 and comparing kind of the last years, even though we were 100%. One of the things, when I look at the maximum acceptable concentration, and there are certain like regulated in organics. And maximum is, for example, 5,000.

And we are at 13 to 17. Buriumed 1,000. And we are 13 to 9, 23 to 0.6. Is this really kind of such big differences?

So are we kind of in line? And how do we rank compared to last kind of last five years? Are we better? Same words in these categories?

Councillor Pribble through the chair. What question, what consent item are you referring to? 2.1. I can go to staff.

Thank you. Through the chair, I’m actually going to have Mr. Dan Huggins speak to this one as it gets into very detailed chemistry, which he is excellent at. Welcome.

If you can just lift your mic up a little bit closer and speak right into the mic. Thank you. Through the chair, yes, you will notice that the maximum acceptable concentrations allowable in Ontario drinking water are generally orders of magnitude higher than are found in London water. We are very fortunate to have some very clean source waters in Lake Huron and Lake Erie.

And after the treatment process, you will find that the levels of contaminants in our water are extremely low. And to the second point about how they compare to previous years, we are also fairly fortunate that the lakes are a very stable water source. Something like a river can have a great deal of variation seasonally. But we are fortunate to have a very high quality water consistently.

And that has not changed much through the years. Councillor? Thank you very much. I’m very glad to hear that.

In the reported states that these reports are given free of charge via different sources. And it says also via government office. How do we do it via government? I know it says our website by it’s also says via government office.

How is that being promoted or posted? And it’s still 2.1. Going to staff? To staff, through the chair to the staff.

Yes. So how do we get the information out on through the government? Because it states we do it through the government office. So I was just curious.

How is it through the government office? Through the government office. Anyone who walks up or comes up to the ninth floor or anywhere in City Hall, if they request it, we will make it available to them either by print or give them an e-mail version of it on PDF. It is currently posted on our website as well in the water service area under reports.

Thank you. And again, through the chair to the staff. And I know it seems like we didn’t select or we don’t use libraries through that. Is there a particular reason or we don’t think that potentially would be meaningful through the chair and staff, you know, like through public libraries?

It’s just something that we’ve never done. The regulations don’t specify where we would want to post it. But to print off copies, to put in every public library, it may not be that well, like not many people request it. Most requests come from restaurant industries who need to look at the fine detail of the water quality.

But we could always have them available in public libraries. You might print off way more than you would need and it would be a waste of paper. Councillor? Thank you, Mr.

Chair. I certainly would not recommend it. I meant more kind of online through the library sources. I would not print additional reports.

So that was just my question. But again, if we are talking about printed, I certainly would not recommend that. But online through the library, they can go to our website and download it and probably print on request for anyone who would want it. Perfect.

Thank you. I’ll leave it to my colleagues. I have some questions, two, three and others. But I don’t know if my colleagues have maybe questions, two, one, two, two as well.

So I don’t jump back and forth. I’ll go to committee members. I see none. I do know that we have a visiting Councillor.

Welcome, Councillor McAllister. If you are here to make comments on 2.3, I would think. Go ahead. Thank you.

Through the chair, appreciate the opportunity to be back as a guest. I just can’t get enough of Civic Works. I’m just here actually, you know, good news story. 2.3, the Hamilton Road and Gore Intersection.

I did go to the public engagement session and just echoing the comments that were in the report. The roundabout is absolutely what I’m hearing from my constituents in terms of what they would like to see at that intersection. I’m very happy that we had the Hale Trafalgar roundabout kind of as the testing ground for East Londoners getting used to roundabouts. And there’s a lot of excitement in terms of that project.

So I just wanted to say thank you to staff for the work on that and express my ward’s happiness to see that finally come to fruition. And if anything, what I’m hearing is they just want the project moved up. If they could make it happen faster, they would absolutely appreciate that. So yeah, I just wanted to say thank you.

Thank you, Councillor, for being here. Any other comments? We do have a motion that has been seconded with the consent items. Councillor Pribble.

Thank you, Mr. Chair, to the staff. At this point 2.3, it stays there. The potential start could be 2026 and the estimate costs 6.7 and property acquisition 2 million.

But it does state about the properties that the identified properties will be more thoroughly doing done through our really state services at a later time. The 2 million, so how did we estimate it and how accurate this amount is of the 2 million dollars? Mr. McQuay.

Yes, through the chair, it’s a comprehensive team that works on these projects and Realty are part of that. So we rely on Realty services to provide the estimate. So at the environmental assessment stage, I think it’s fairly high level. It’s based on market values, and they have a pretty good sense.

Our Realty staff have a pretty good sense of market values. But obviously, there’s a whole lot more detail to go into once they engage with property owners and get into negotiations. Thank you, Councillor. So the real estate already has been involved in this 2 million dollar estimate.

Okay, thank you. Thank you. I see no further questions on the consent items. We do have a motion.

One more question, Councillor Preble. I’m sorry, one more note. I didn’t see if this project was to go ahead, the source of financing for this project. What source would it be?

Where would it come from? Mr. McQuay. This is a growth project, and therefore the bulk of the funding is development charges, through the via the City Services Reserve Fund, with a smaller component from lifecycle renewal accounts for the lifecycle renewal benefits that the network receives.

Thank you. Thank you. And with that, we can proceed to vote. Just pause.

There is another question. Okay, we’ll just cancel the vote. Councillor Preble. Thank you.

And the last couple of questions regarding 2.8, 2.9, sort of chair to the staff. And maybe I missed, I thought, in terms of the green bins, I thought converters had the contract for the entire City of London. And now for the Miller, it says that there are certain parts of London that will be done for them. And I just want to clarification from the staff about this, these 2.8, 2.9.

Thank you. Yeah, great question. Mr. Sanford.

Through the chair, this refers to collection, not processing. So the materials collected in this area, wide Miller way systems go to the same location. Converters and have been since January 15. No more questions.

Thank you. Thank you. And we can proceed to vote. Using the vote, the motion carries 5 to 0.

Moving on to our scheduled items 3.1, we have a delegation here. Mr. Samuels, welcome to committee. And you have up to five minutes.

My name is Brendan Samuels. I’m the chair of the environment. Mr. Samuels, just move the mic up a little bit closer.

You seem a little hunched over there. So is that better? Much better. Okay.

Too tall for this setup. That’s okay. My name is Brendan Samuels. I’m the chair of the environmental stewardship and action community advisory committee.

Today I’m here just to provide something for information for the committee. No real further action is needed. This is a draft work plan for our advisory committee for the upcoming calendar year. So we’re now going into the second year of our committee full year of doing its business.

And we’re trying a new approach that we’re hoping will create more predictability for you and for staff to be aware of what our committee is working on. I’m not sure if this was included in your agenda. It was voted on by our advisory group. I’m just going to quickly go through the items that are listed in here just for your information and then would be happy to take any questions you might have.

The first is a communications checklist. So following consultations with city staff, something that was suggested as a way our committee could help with education for community about the climate emergency action plan is to develop a checklist that could be used in preparing communications for the city. And that can help to make sure that communications are being diversified, that they’re reaching different stakeholder groups in the city. No one single message reaches everybody.

We can’t just be using cookie cutters. Instead, we’re trying to create messaging that’s more holistic and well rounded. That is one item on our list. There are a few documents related to the climate emergency action plan we’ll be taking a look at.

You’ll be receiving an adaptation discussion paper coming up in, I believe, February or March, as well as a progress report in May to June. We’ll be looking to provide comments on that as well, working with the staff. There are a few other document reviews coming up this year. The mobility master plan, one was suggested was the land needs assessment.

The site plan control by law update with respect to green building standards. The urban forest strategy and tree planting strategy as they arise later this year, rethink zoning, the design specifications and requirements manual if they should need to be updated related to climate change planning. Finally, the last category on our list are items related to naturalization and stewardship, which also falls under our committee’s mandate and is quite closely linked to the adaptation piece of climate change planning. We are looking forward to receiving an update on the naturalization of boulevards and reduced roadside cutting policy that’s subject to a business case in the multi-year budget.

Looking forward to that outcome. Then working on follow-up pieces to the yard and lot maintenance by law update and public education. Really trying to make it easier for private land owners to engage in stewardship and planting as well as planting more trees. We are also hoping to look working with parks and other divisions on naturalization in public lands.

I had an exchange with Paul Yiman just yesterday about park land and opportunities moving forward to maybe reduce mowing in areas where it makes sense to do so. That probably won’t fit on the work plan for their group this year but nonetheless our committee is hoping to take a look at the available mapping data to compare where in the city it might make sense and to provide recommendations. So just to conclude these items on our work plan are just here for your public information. It gives you a sense of what we will be working on.

If you notice anything coming up on an agenda or if you have any questions we always love to hear from you and are happy to share feedback. Some of these items might take longer than this calendar year to actually be implemented but this is the scope of what we are hoping to look at through our review process and with that that’s all I had so happy to take any questions. Thank you. Any questions from committee?

Councillor Tristle. Just to start by thanking you and your committee members. This is just such an impressive array of work that you’re taking on and we really appreciate the work that you do. I do wonder though could this type of report which was just presented to us orally could the clerk include reports like this to the report that comes to us so we can see it in our agenda?

That’s a question for a clerk. If this update could be reported to us in the agenda? Sorry through the chair at an advisory committee meeting if a motion is passed by the community advisory committee that an item be attached to the report we can do that. I’m perhaps once the work plan is complete it could be attached to the next report next meeting and it would come to the civic works as part of that report.

Councillor? Through the chair so I would request that you as the chair make sure you append those special words to your reports because it really helps us understand what your committee is doing. Thank you and again thank you very much. Any other questions, comments from committee?

I see none. I too want to add my thanks to the advisory group and Mr. Samuels thank you for being here. I think it’s important we do connect and there’s a lot going on we heard if we want to see those reports and what you’re doing and it seems like there’s a lot going on get that motion in so we can see the attachments of the work.

So again many thanks and do we just receive the delegation? So I have a motion to receive a delegation and the report. Councillor Frank is moving it and Councillor Triseau is seconding it can proceed to vote. Closing the vote the motion carries five to zero.

Moving on to 3.2 we do have a public participation meeting, gold seal and foreign municipal drain improvements. I’m looking to committee to open up the PPM. Councillor Triseau seconded by Councillor Ferrera. We’ll have a motion to open the PPM.

Are you proposing the vote? The motion carries five to zero. I’d like to maybe just quickly go to staff and give us a quick update and who is here and why we are here. Thank you through the chair.

So this drainage work is related to the MTO project, the Colonel Talbot overpass is 101. So these drainage works were initiated by the MTO as the road authority. So this report sets out the engineering reports for both drains. We are joined today by Jessica Trella, our drainage superintendent and our consultant from Spreed Associates to answer any questions.

Thank you and with that I don’t see any technical questions so we’ll just move on to the public if there’s anyone here from the public that would like to speak to this at this public participation meeting just state your name and address if you wish and you do have up to five minutes. Yes, my name is Hope Johnson. Just a little bit closer to the mic. My name is Hope Johnson.

I’m here from the Stoners Travel Centre Inc at 6675 Bursalain at the corner of Highway 401 and Colonel Talbot Road. We have a property there, a hotel, conference centre, chapel and a house and we’re concerned about how this drain is going to affect our property. Right now our main entrance is going to be expropriated and we have a stormwater pond there that has been expropriated by MTO and we’re not happy about any of that because it’s taking that pond away and it’s moving the stormwater pond over an area that’s close to our fresh water, fresh drinking water wells which are the only fresh water drinking wells in the whole area. Everything else is salffered.

The chapel and the house that we have on the property that we own is salffered and we’re very concerned that that’s going to affect our a lot of things. We don’t know who to address this. We need to talk to people from the city because MTO is just stormwater, they’re just running all over us but this is the city that’s involved and apparently they’re saying that this new stormwater pond is a city by-law but you know it’s the frontage of our whole property taking up a third of our frontage and we won’t be able to build anything on there and it’s just a mess and we don’t know how this a foreigny drain is going to be connected. I know they’re making it, they’re making that’s it’s called the super truck plaza trunk that’s going to be that connects us to the foreigny drain and we don’t have any elevations.

We really don’t have much from the from the city. MTO is in charge but we need to speak to people from the city and we’re taking off and we’re on Burt-Wessel lane and that Burt-Wessel lane water right now is going into our stormwater pond. It’s ruined the you know the we put in a dry hydrant into the pond. We deepened the pond according to the city by-laws and now that they’ve MTO has expropriated that area so that stormwater pond now is is filled with with rubble coming from off the the stones and everything and the sort off the street and it’s filled in the pond the the hydrant the dry fire hydrant is no longer operational it’s it’s not working anymore and we’re we feel that you know as a hotel operator we’re liable for you know anything that that happened that happens in respect to fire and and MTO isn’t prepared to replace that the dry hydrant for us and come on over here and this is Peter Johnson my son he wants to add something.

We’re really concerned about the actual movement of the entrance where it is located now they want to move it further down south towards St. Thomas and that’s a really big concern for us. The property was a truck stop at one point we did have a full service petrol and diesel gas station there to allow heavy trucks to come in and out and them moving the entrance and redoing the stormwater drainage pond is definitely gonna impact our business with with trucks with hotel guests with with everything that we’ve done in the past 26 years and all the water that’s coming off of Burt Whistle Lane which is a city street is being diverted into our pond and and also there’s no curb curbs on Burt Whistle Lane and that water is also running into the Burt Whistle House that’s located next to the chapel and it’s been flooding our basement so it’s a really big concern for us this whole project that MTO has been doing we’ve been talking to them since well 26 years ago about this whole project and you know frankly we just want it left the way it is it’s not you know we have a big concern about how it’s going to disrupt our business we’ve built a really successful business in the last 26 years which was very difficult and it’s a it’s a huge concern because this is our livelihood and thank you you have 30 seconds left if there’s anything else you’d like to say well we’d like to see if we could address this also via email and write our concerns down on paper or just so that we have record of that thank you is there anyone else here from the public that would like to speak to the drain improvements and I assume there’s no one online and with that I look to the committee to close the public participation meeting Councillor Tresault seconded by Councillor Pribble. Sorry can I just address one more thing just quickly we’d like to invite the city to come have a look at the property.

I appreciate that I’m sure you can reach out to the city as well. Councillor Tresault. So my concern closing the vote the motion carries 5 to 0. Any questions Councillor Tresault.

May I ask to the chair to appropriate staff is there is there something within the purview of the city that could address the concerns that are that are raised or is this a matter between them and the province? Madam chair staff have met with the owners at this location our role largely are related to the municipal drain improvements initiated by the MTO a number of the concerns raised today by the owners of this property are related strictly to provincial jurisdiction that said if there are matters that the city are able to resolve staff are happy to work on those but the concerns about the impact to existing infrastructure future development and access are all related to the MTO overpass project and unfortunately outside the jurisdiction of the city of London. I know the residents in the gallery had a hard time hearing that but if I can just say that the concerns are related to the Ministry of Transportation they are the ones that have to this isn’t a debate back and forth I’m just passing on staff information to you about the overpass that is done by the provincial government and the MTO I would ask maybe if the committee would allow me to ask a question to staff who would the residents reach out to at the city to provide that information for them to move on? Madam chair we may have some ability with respect to drainage related to the roadway so Shawna Chambers is our division manager of stormwater engineering I believe she has already met with the residents and we’re happy to do so again if there are matters of municipal jurisdiction we’re happy to work with them.

Thank you and just so the residents can hear that Shawna Chambers who has met with you will is willing to meet with you if you have any further questions around the municipal part of it and then reaching out to the Ministry of Transportation so I would encourage you to reach out to Miss Chambers and proceed from there thank you. Okay before I take another question I am looking for a motion from committee members Councillor Frank thank you and seconded hold on so there is a motion on the floor I need a mover Councillor Frank seconded by Councillor Tresault Councillor Frank. Thank you I was just going to comment that perhaps they should be in touch with their city councilor in their MPP but they’ve left so thank you. So we have a motion on the floor and with that we can proceed to vote.

Holding the vote the motion carries 5 to 0. Moving on to items for direction I don’t see any deferred matters additional business see none and with that I’m looking for a German. Councillor Tresault Councillor Frank and I guess we should vote or help out a hand vote. That’s carried.

Thanks everyone.